I know I can use silicone around the opening behind the tile so water behind the tile can wick around it, but how do I prevent water from getting behind the substrate? Food grade silicone is a non-toxic type of silicone that doesnât contain any chemical fillers or byproducts, making it safe for use with food. When you comb thinset onto the substrate you want to scrape away the area around where the hole in the tile is. I’ll have to get you a six pack for this probably…two beers isn’t enough. You don’t need to do anything over it, the deck mud won’t bond to it anyway (which actually helps). We chose to do this method but you can also buy special Schluter tub spout covers. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. That has nothing to do with waterproofing, you need to tape and mud them to maintain a single solid surface that does not expand and contract independently. You can also get a ‘drain extender’, which raises the drain, then pack another mud deck over the existing tile, correctly sloped, and tile it. Hey Roger, just bought your kerdi bundle and read the kerdi book top to bottom. OK, but what about the silicone dam behind the tile? Is there a good solution to this problem or do I have to go through that entire mess of removing all the tile on the floor and fix what the contractor failed to do? So………….. 1) Is this too insignificant to worry about? Have a beer Pepsi to congratulate yourself for such a fine looking circle! Nice looking job though Steve. What to do now? Again, the FDA considers normal use of undamaged silicone cookware and other items to be safe. The problem with holes in a waterproof shower is that they make it not so waterproof. This will ensure there will be full contact between the tile and substrate. Is this sealant food grade? Then I will apply redguard to it? That and seeing the condensate on the plastic with our open wall cavities in the training areas when using liquids is what has made me a strong believer in sheet products and using felt. One week later i was able to peel out the Kerdi bands off the kerdi boards. I did the caulking on my house 15 years ago including the cedar siding joints, still not a tear in it. What this does is create a dam of silicone around the perimeter of your cutout. Maybe I’m just not understanding your concern correctly? From the #1 Silicone Brand, Tub and Tile Silicone 1 sealant is a 100% silicone and 100% waterproof sealant ideal for areas susceptible to moisture such as I have a drain clean out from the kitchen sink on the main floor that’s at the base of my basement shower. And youmight not be able to use the enclosure again for a wâ¦ and for bonding to glass and plastic. OK, maybe you need more info. ), Waterproofing fixture cutouts in shower tile. The simple truth is that some projects just don't need extremely strong adhesives, and diluting the silicone is a good way to make your sealant cheaper for these kinds of projects. We are renovating our 150 year old house, and in the upstairs bathroom, I found a stupid dead space that, if we rearranged some things, would allow us to have a tub in there. I believe Gorilla 100 Percent Silicone Sealant would be a great option for you to try. For those areas thin set or Kerdi-fix are recommended. Rubbers are naturally occurring, or else we can synthesize them, but silicon is only synthetic in nature. So how do you waterproof a hole? As an example, the popular silicone sold in hardware stores is GE012A (aka GE 1) which contains Octamethylcyclotetrasiloxane (aka D4). Schluter has said in past that 100 percent silicone is an acceptable substitute for Kerdi Fix, though, and I was quite surprised at just how well that did in my comparison testing. Thanks for your help. Do I just paint the redguard right up to the holes? Just happened to fall on a seam in the substrate? Either move the shower wall or build a bench over it. We are putting tile over a tub. Have a few others that did not last near as long. No. But wait, I just sealed the gap where the tile meets tub flange, also with silicon, so there is no way for the water to drain into the tub! I have one question though which I’m unclear about. :), It was actually Feb., 2002. The shower was never built quite right. Silicone that space, then paint your redgard down over it all the way to the flange. 1) Is the thinset applied up to the opening in the substrate and then scraped away (like a 3/4″ gap)? Again, thank you so much. Is that common practice? Keep silicone patches on your skin from 1-8 hours. Click Above to have professional TileTips sent directly to your inbox. The lowest portion of the floor is about 6″ further in than the drain, so in order for all the water to be out of the shower at the end of the day, one has to squeegee it toward the drain. I stick the Kerdi to the tub lip with modified thin set -- Versa Bond. That would eliminate the need to remove the existing mess. You may have answered this elsewhere, but I was reading your traditional shower waterproofing guide and had a quick question. So 15 minutes isnât a hard and fast rule. But, perhaps when everything is put together, that isn’t really a concern? There are only 2 places I worry about with Kerdi and sheetrock. The cutouts for the shower head, shower or bath controls and any other fancy stuff you saw in that magazine. We are using tile for walls and mosaic for shower floor and I want to know if any additional waterproofing materials other than backer board need to be applied before or after the backer board and was told not to put any holes in fiberglass coating so is there is need to do that that at all for any reason? Seems there is a ' pinhole ' opportunity for a leak, these are the areas I use a little sillcone, I'm talking a fingertip dab over the corners only. 3) What’s the mesh tape about in the pic? You can bond the rubber seal to the kerdi with kerdi-fix. After reading many online forums, I read there is a standard off the shelf limestone sealant which does virtually the same thing, but is < 1/4 the price. They wish I would. Sticks like crazy. and for bonding to glass and plastic. On silicones, since Laticrete came out, I love it. ... Used it to cover the Schluter screws on the Kerdi board with Kerdi band per instructions. Get off my ass about it. The repair can be time-consuming and expensive. Ever have one tank that nothing survives in? At the bottom of the tub legs I just cut is off at the flooring. While I normally always advocate to follow manufacturers recommendations I have always removed plaster guards from every valve I’ve done a shower in. 2) I could abate some of this by siliconing the OD of the escutcheon instead of relying on its (smaller OD) rubber seal. In addition, silicones have more special properties than normal rubbers. I tuck the plastic behind the drywall or cut it right at the drywall. Five years later, we managed to finally get to tub stage. Regarding a shower with Hardi substrate and Kerdi waterproofing—– Hi Roger, good luck getting that ostrich saddle off your hands…. In a nutshell, caulk is used in a tub or shower enclosure to keep water from creeping up,under or around the tiles at joints between tile and the tub or shower pan,or on joints where walls meet. So my question is similar to Steve’s above, but with one caveat. I don’t know why they would want you to leave it in there unless it’s part of the seal for their trim. If I place the kerdi membrane up to that, and then it is removed when the trim is added, what prevents moisture from getting through that hole? I don't blame you for looking for a better price. At the time they didn't have KerdiFix out. The product is really only part of it, the application is just as important. I’ve never tiled over existing tile. Performance Of 100% RTV vs. Extended. 2. I’m building a tile shower with Kerdi membrane, and the Schulter shower base kit (I read your manual on waterproofing with Kerdi – it’s excellent!). Do you trim it and where does the edge go relative to the flooring – presumably not below (in this case the drywall was already removed for the legs, so we put backerboard there.). 8.1 Schlüter®-KERDI W A T E R P R O O F M E M B R A N E F O R S U B S T R A T E P R O T E C T I O N Application and Function Schlüter®-KERDI is a crack bridging water- proof membrane made of soft polyethylene, While it may cling to the side of the escutcheon and be channeled sideways for a bit, as soon as it hits any type of barrier it will begin to run down again. We still have the Kerdi box, it was built in 2001, no leaks. Silicone on the “plaster guard”…..enough? I plan to use a moentrol 3330 Three Function mixing and transfer valve, and of course, the kerdi mixing valve gasket is not big enough. It comes with its own seal, but it’s not kerdi, obviously. I imagine water running down the front of my tile and getting behind my escutcheons then making its way through the 2 inch hole through my Kerdi and backer board and into the inside of my stud wall. I am in the middle of shower remodel. 2) I’m using Kerdi over Hardi. You can also use KERDI-FIX to waterproof where the tub spout comes through the KERDI-BOARD. Certified by NSF to NSF / ANSI Standard #51.Safe for incidental food contact. should i take it back, and buy 100% silicone? Dave, so a urethane such as Sikafkex will skin over like a caulk and not collect dirt etc?????? 3. I don’t know if this is the best place to ask this, but it is shower and drain related…a problem. Re: Are silicone mats really esd safe? Stuff seals well. :D. I'm thinking of taking the mud course in march, maybe i'll do it just so's i can say i drunk sumthin outa that box :yipee: GabeS I like to bring the board down to the lip and the tile down past the edge of the board to the tub. But yes, it will work for your situation as well. 21 CFR 177.2600. Crafters and artists may find that this clear silicone sealant is a great choice for sculpting and picture frame assembly. I assume thinset and screws to fasten? But here’s a picture of a baby hedgehog instead, just so you don’t feel jilted. The valve manufacturer supplied the typical plastic placeholder/spacer that temporarily attaches to the valve and protrudes through the substrate. The FDA also considers use of silicone breast implants to be safe. 100% silicone doesnât mold. Hello. :clap2: :yeah: :cool: Thanks again to everyone..this site is da bomb.......... :shades: vBulletin® v3.7.4, Copyright ©2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Thanks John, everyone.....In a shower, primary concern to me is sealing around the shower valve, in case any water gets past the escutcheon. Once you get your escutcheon (the metal cover plate) on there no water will enter through the front of the tile, then any water behind your tile will run around the dam. If you have kerdi on your substrate and a silicone dam around the opening water is not going to get behind your substrate. Am I supposed to apply silicone to that space or just caulk? They don’t have to be very long, just enough for any vapor to dissipate. For the gaps between backerboard and drywall, do you also tape and mud those? You can click on any of these photos to view a full-size version. Just grab a tube of silicone and stop overthinking it! I normally just cut slits in the barrier in the stud bays. Moen states in their instructions to keep the plaster ground in place during installation of the trim and that it should sit flush with the finished tile. 3) I have access panels on the back side of the wall. Still see joints I did in public buildings that are 20-25 years old and not replaced. 4) I have bought larger OD escutcheons where available, but some not available. 100% WEATHERPROOF: This 100% silicone formula offers protection from water damage, providing a reliable seal in areas prone to weather and water exposure 7-YEAR MOLD-FREE PRODUCT PROTECTION: Protects against stain-causing mold and mildew growth And I’ve done a lot of moens. They are meant to discard. They will not suggest its use for primary seaming or for areas that might be constantly wet. . You need to use 100% silicone, none of that acrylic silicone or any of that stuff that sounds fancy (but doesn’t work long-term). So that brings my next question: do I need to do more than simply pack the new (and hopefully correctly sloped) mud deck onto the existing tile? :D. Getting raggdy from the condensate of the ice cubes when we fill it with bottle water and ice, but hate to throw it out. The pipe must be dry before you apply the silicone; this allows the silicone to set up properly. Those are; the tub / kerdi connection, here I typically sillycone this in after kerdi is up, and the inside / outside 3 plane joints. Because I’m a slacker. Apply KERDI-FIX to the substrate and spread evenly with an appropriate notched trowel. They, and others are relying on a tested, proven 2" overlap seam. How to Use Dermaclara Silicone Fusionâ¢ Patches for Wrinkles Many people ask how they should use silicone patches. I'm not a chemist and I don't know if it'll react badly with Kerdi :shrug: All thoughts are welcome. Also, am I supposed to thinset and tape the space between the cement board and lip of the tub? Can you just silicone the part where the cement board meets the drywall Instead of taping? I get the general idea, but I’m having difficulty understanding pic #3. Just install the new mud deck and tile away. . Okay, don’t slam it up there, place it up there carefully and press firmly to ensure full contact. My question is what happens next? Hey all, With Kerdi-fix at $20 a tube, I want to use something more economical but just as effective. (Picture 2). There really is no easy solution to it. Acrylic latex â¦ At all wall junctions, apply KERDI-BAND or KERDI-FLEX as described in steps 1-3, ensuring a minimum of 2" overlap on to â¦ i was there in august and drank a bottle of water out of that little box , quite a sales pitch schluter boys came up with...... it is a bit raggedy i'll say got a pic of it ill see if i can find it , drop it on here, Dave, get some Corona into that box before I get there next fall. Something more or less obvious? That stuff is indestructible! Using the flat side of the trowel, firmly press the banding into the mortar to ensure 100% coverage and to remove excess mortar and air pockets. Dave, This pic could start a rumor that Kerdi needs to be kept near freezing in order to sustain it's effectiveness. It's been full of water since 2001? I don’t need to rip it out to add silicone, do I? It’ll be fun. For the purposes of most shower applications silicone is silicone. This silicone works great,used to fix a hole in metal roof around pipe,just layered it to fix a 1.25 inch gap .I would buy again,and will here soon Read more Thanks for sharing all your knowledge with us. This caulk is 100% silicone and Incredibly strong for creating crack-proof permanent sealing around the shower and â¦ I have no spare tile to match what is in place, and it is quite solidly bonded as far as I can tell. (Please DO NOT email me with the punchline to that joke!). I have plenty of room under the floor to access the drain and pipes there….what I’m curious about is an idea of simply adding a second drain into the floor. It will just back up and eventually (over the years) saturate the substrate! If you get enough silicone on there you’ll be able to run your finger along the perimeter of the cutout after you install your tile to smooth the silicone. Just do the dam, it can be larger than the cover. Either the technique above or you can use schluter valve seals on them (just google it). :). That thing doesnt stick. Both rubber and silicone are elastomers. Thanks in advance. You gotta like my page. I do not have a picture of that. I am wondering what I should do before I even get to the tiling part. It will run around anything in the path downward. I haveoften seen tiled bathrooms where the two or threebottom rows of tiles were loosened by water which crept up under the tiles fromthe bottom! My shower project is coming along (slowly but surely), but I have a question regarding one of my walls. If so, what do you do with the plastic moisture barrier? For those areas thin set or Kerdi-fix are recommended. Our patented Polymer Bonding Process (Patent No: 10,577,521) The Ultimate Guide on How To Bond/'Glue' All Silicone Types and Products Silicone is the go to polymer when cushioning and/or sealing is the objective. Most formulas are mildew-resistant and have inhibitors to slow discoloration (but all caulk gets ugly over time). Brilliant! You have no idea the headache you just solved. Thinset bonds to urethane not silicone. 100% silicone will perform better than âextendedâ. « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 12:33:28 pm » You can never tell, but the absence of a earth connection & wrist strap connection would indicate that the mat has not been properly designed to create an ESD workstation. I live in michigan where the winters are cold if that helps with the answer. The opening is 5″×8″, and at the base of the shower wall. The 100 percent silicone material holds up under heat, vibration, shock, temperature changes, and moisture. My plumber and tile guy say not to worry—they’ll just make the tile hole smaller than the Hardi hole, so the escutcheon will seal against the tile. (Picture 1). I’ve used mapei’s aquadefense. The alcohol evaporates quickly and thatâs one advantage of using denatured alcohol to spray the silicone vs something like soapy water or Windex, which both work for this also. when you sheetrock or cement board a tub surround, do you extend the sheetrock or cement board over the tub lip and onto the top ledge or do you just end your sheetrock or cement board right above the tub lip and then let the tile extend onto the tub ledge? If you are using the traditional method and have your waterproof barrier behind your substrate (like in these pictures) you’ll need to silicone the perimeter of the barrier to the back of your backerboard. :eek: I can assure you I don't keep ice in it unless I have to :wave:, but it is always half full of water. 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